<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 17, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Annie Heuscher via Missoula-Community-News <<a href="mailto:missoula-community-news@bigskynet.org" class="">missoula-community-news@bigskynet.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I would strongly encourage you to cut back dramatically on your emails to this listserv (1-2 emails per<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">month<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">would be reasonable and would compare fairly with others' usage of the listserv)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>I’ve been thinking the same thing lately</div><div>Lance</div><br class=""><div class="">
<div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="font-size: 14px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class="">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">Elizabeth Kolbert:</b> "</span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> And I think the point that Bill has made, and I agree with it, is<b class=""> </b></span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0);" class=""><b class="">maybe</b></span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><b class=""> </b>we can avoid the worst possible future. But I don’t think at this point we can avoid a lot, a lot, a lot of damage.”</span></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; min-height: 16px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><b class="">Bill McKibben:</b></span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""> <b style="background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0);" class="">“Look, Betsy’s right. </b><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">So we’re not playing for stopping climate change. We’re playing</span> <b style="background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0);" class="">maybe </b><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">for being able to slow it down to the point where it doesn’t make civilizations impossible.</span> </span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">That’s an open question. There are scientists who tell you we’re already past that point. The consensus, at least for the moment, is that we’ve got a narrow and closing window, but that </span><b class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0);" class="">if we move with everything we have,</span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> then,</span></b><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0);" class=""> <b class="">perhaps,</b></span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> we’ll be able to squeeze a fair amount of our legacy through it. But Betsy is right, an already very difficult century is going to become a lot harder no matter what we do. It’s at this point trying to keep it from becoming not a difficult and even miserable century but a literally impossible one.”</span></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(0, 105, 217); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="text-decoration: underline; -webkit-font-kerning: none; font-size: 12px;" class=""><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/bill-mckibben-and-elizabeth-kolbert-on-the-un-extinction-report" class="">https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/bill-mckibben-and-elizabeth-kolbert-on-the-un-extinction-report</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(0, 105, 217); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(0, 105, 217); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><b class="">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><b class="">Camilo Mora:</b> “ …. our choices for deadly heat are now between more of it or a lot more of it.”</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" class=""><span style="text-decoration: underline; -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><a href="https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.117.004233" class="">https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.117.004233</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 15px;" class=""><br class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span></div></span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(49, 68, 93);" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><b class="">Michael Mann:</b> “</span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">“</span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class="">A new normal makes it sound like we have arrived in a new position, and that's where we're going to be. </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">But if we continue to burn fossil fuels ... we are going to ... get worse and worse droughts, and heat waves, and super storms, and floods, and wildfires.”</span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" class=""><span style="text-decoration: underline; -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/climate-change-is-making-wildfires-more-extreme-heres-how" class="">https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/climate-change-is-making-wildfires-more-extreme-heres-how<span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span></a></span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 238); min-height: 15px;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><b class="">Kate Marvel:</b> “The whole idea that everything’s going to work out isn’t really helpful because it isn’t going to work out ” said Kate Marvel a climate scientist at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Climate change is going to worsen to a point where millions of lives, homes, and species are put at risk she said. </span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" class=""><span style="text-decoration: underline; -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><a href="https://newrepublic.com/article/151608/case-against-climate-pessimism" class="">https://newrepublic.com/article/151608/case-against-climate-pessimism</a></span></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 15px;" class=""><br class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(32, 33, 36); margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">My own view:</b> <<</span><span style="text-decoration: underline; -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><a href="https://mountainjournal.org/why-rising-temps-mean-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it" class="">https://mountainjournal.org/why-rising-temps-mean-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it</a></span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">>></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(17, 85, 204); min-height: 16px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class="">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(29, 33, 41);" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class="">“A new area of study is the field that some of us are beginning to call social traps. </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class="">The term refers to situations in society that contain </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class="">traps formally like a fish trap,</span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""> </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">where men or whole societies get themselves started in some direction or some </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">set of relationships that later prove to be unpleasant or lethal and that they see </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 251, 0);" class="">no easy way to back out of or to avoid."</span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 15px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""></span><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class="">John Platt. Social Traps. American Psychologist, August 1973</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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