[MCN] "Would these people actually know socialism if they saw it?"

Lance Olsen lance at wildrockies.org
Sat Feb 8 15:20:05 EST 2020


The Wall Street Journal  February 6, 2019

Venezuela’s Collapse Exposes the Fake Socialism Debated in U.S.

By Greg Ip

Excerpts : Some polls find young American adults prefer socialism to capitalism, and self-described democratic socialists Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York congresswoman, and Bernie Sanders, a Vermont senator, have captured the hearts and minds of the Democratic Party. 

Right on cue, critics say they’d turn the U.S. into Venezuela. In his [ 2019 ] State of the Union address Tuesday night, President Trump condemned Venezuela’s “socialist policies,” then vowed: “America will never be a socialist country.” Republican legislators cheered lustily. 

Would these people actually know socialism if they saw it? Taxing the rich, Medicare-for-all, and a Green New Deal that replaces fossil fuels with renewables are certainly liberal, probably radical, possibly unwise.

But socialist? Hardly.

They redistribute the outcomes of the market; they don’t replace the market with the state as the means of allocating production. That’s the hallmark of true socialism …..

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“A new area of study is the field that some of us are beginning to call social traps. The term refers to situations in society that contain traps formally like a fish trap, where men or whole societies get themselves started in some direction or some set of relationships that later prove to be unpleasant or lethal and that they see no easy way to back out of or to avoid."

John Platt. Social Traps. American Psychologist, August 1973

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“Our results indicate that terrestrial ecosystems are highly sensitive to temperature change and suggest that, without major reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to the atmosphere, terrestrial ecosystems worldwide are at risk of major transformation.”

Nolan et al. Past and future global transformation of terrestrial ecosystems under climate change. 
Science 31 August 2018 



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