[MCN] "I can't breathe" -- if ocean fish could speak

[Patty A]

Annie, I do not know you, however, I am wondering how you actually know
that utilization of the listserve is down because Lance posts climate
emergency articles on It......seems it could possibly be a stretch for you,
or anyone, to assume that without actual evidence.   Yes, I agree it was a
lapse in judgement for Lance to utilize the tragic death of George Floyd to
being attention to a climate emergency issue, and it is appropriate to
bring it to his attention and to educate him about it....I assume you have
maintained a perfect life in every spoken, and written word that you have
ever uttered, or you certainly wouldn't so soundly excoriate someone with
such anger and vehemence for making such an error.  While I certainly
respect each person's right to speak their own opinions, I would ask that
you please own your own opinions, as you do not speak for me.  I happen to
know a number of people in Missoula, including myself,  who are gravely
concerned about the climate emergency, and read and appreciate Lances
postings.  The articles he provides for us greatly contributes to my work
as a climate activist. When I'm too busy, I just simply skip them.  My
grave concern for the planet doesn't diminish my unparalleled care about,
and support for Black Lives...they are not mutually exclusive.

While there is much to be outraged about these days, hopefully we will not
beat down those of us who actually dedicate our lives to trying, in our own
way, to make the world a better place, even if we do not always do it
perfectly!

Sincerely,

Patty

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:33 PM Annie Heuscher via Missoula-Community-News <
missoula-community-news at bigskynet.org> wrote:

> Lance, while I agree that the fossil fuel industry is harming all of us
> and especially minority communities, your continued reference to George
> Floyd is entirely inappropriate.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:22 PM Lance Olsen <lance at wildrockies.org> wrote:
>
>> I think you might agree that fossil fuel industry has its knee on all our
>> necks, and especially on the necks of minority communities.
>>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:24 PM Lance Olsen <lance at wildrockies.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Annie Heuscher via Missoula-Community-News <
>> missoula-community-news at bigskynet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would strongly encourage you to cut back dramatically on your emails to
>> this listserv (1-2 emails per *month *would be reasonable and would
>> compare fairly with others' usage of the listserv)
>>
>>
>> I’ve been thinking the same thing lately
>> Lance
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> *Elizabeth Kolbert:* " And I think the point that Bill has made, and I
>> agree with it, is *maybe* we can avoid the worst possible future. But I
>> don’t think at this point we can avoid a lot, a lot, a lot of damage.”
>>
>> *Bill McKibben:* *“Look, Betsy’s right. *So we’re not playing for
>> stopping climate change. We’re playing *maybe *for being able to slow it
>> down to the point where it doesn’t make civilizations impossible. That’s
>> an open question. There are scientists who tell you we’re already past that
>> point. The consensus, at least for the moment, is that we’ve got a narrow
>> and closing window, but that *if we move with everything we have, then,*
>> *perhaps,* we’ll be able to squeeze a fair amount of our legacy through
>> it. But Betsy is right, an already very difficult century is going to
>> become a lot harder no matter what we do. It’s at this point trying to keep
>> it from becoming not a difficult and even miserable century but a literally
>> impossible one.”
>>
>> https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/bill-mckibben-and-elizabeth-kolbert-on-the-un-extinction-report
>>
>> *^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*
>>
>> *Camilo Mora:* “ ….  our choices for deadly heat are now between more of
>> it or a lot more of it.”
>> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.117.004233
>>
>> *Michael Mann:* ““A new normal makes it sound like we have arrived in a
>> new position, and that's where we're going to be. But if we continue to
>> burn fossil fuels ... we are going to ... get worse and worse droughts, and
>> heat waves, and super storms, and floods, and wildfires.”
>>
>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/climate-change-is-making-wildfires-more-extreme-heres-how
>>
>> *Kate Marvel:* “The whole idea that everything’s going to work out isn’t
>> really helpful because it isn’t going to work out ” said Kate Marvel a
>> climate scientist at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Climate
>> change is going to worsen to a point where millions of lives, homes, and
>> species are put at risk she said.
>> https://newrepublic.com/article/151608/case-against-climate-pessimism
>>
>> *My own view:* <<
>> https://mountainjournal.org/why-rising-temps-mean-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it
>> >>
>>
>> *^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*
>> “A new area of study is the field that some of us are beginning to call
>> social traps. The term refers to situations in society that contain traps formally
>> like a fish trap, where men or whole societies get themselves started in
>> some direction or some set of relationships that later prove to be
>> unpleasant or lethal and that they see no easy way to back out of or to
>> avoid."
>>
>> John Platt. Social Traps. American Psychologist, August 1973
>>
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